Bob, why do you think I described my source as "that clown Despain".

Mitch "saving face" Warren

If you need to hear someone thank the local mom and pop differential service for letting them win the race, go to a local short track.

Nascar is a professional series. Not a bunch of local short trackers.

And in case some haven't followed Nascar long (I have since around 91, and keep up on Nascar happenings of the past) It has been commercialized for a LONG, LONG, time.

Hell even back in the 60's BIG MONEY was forked over for some teams. You don't see any more Factory backed teams do you?

Budweiser has been a Nascar sponsor for how long? And Pennzoil, Valvoline, Havoline, Soft Drink companies, the list goes on.

The only difference now is that Cup cars are faster, have more technology, and cars/teams/drivers are more competitive. Not sure how that makes cup cars WORSE than they were at ANY point.

The only downside to Nascar today is big E is no longer with us. You either had a guy to HATE, or you had a guy to love. Either way it was better when he was still racin'.


And the proposed points system is GREAT!! How in the world did Matt Kenseth Deserve to win a championship? He produced almost ZERO real results. How many poles? How many laps/races led? How many wins?

Your Nascar champ should have been Ryan Newman. And suffice to say I'm NOT a fan of his.

When NASCAR first announced the change in the points system, I was really against it. But the more I looked into it, I think it makes some sense. All NASCAR is doing is making official what has been happening all along. If you are 20th in points with 10 races to go, you probably aren't going to contend for the championship. But you still can contend for a win and get your sponsor some good air time.

However, I really wouldn't want to be the guy who is either 401 points back, or in 11th place. And it is a playoff, no different than baseball, football, or basketball. And I also believe that NASCAR did make the change with TV ratings in mind, since the last 10 races have to compete with football TV ratings.

I'm going to disagree Lonnie. I feel NASCAR has become even more comericialized in the past few years. Even moreso since the switch to NBC/Fox from ESPN/TNN. With NBC and Fox it seems as if commercials have dramatically increased as well as advertisements during the coverage.

Great technical discussion of Nextel Cup motors:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread....15&pagenumber=1

WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashing post in it.

....I thought NASCRAP bashing was a SPORT!.....

Nah, that's just your jealousy showing...

Wanna bash NASCRAP some more????

How about Joe Ruttmann, Kirk Shelmerdine, and Andy Hillenburg?

We all know that they couldn't fill the field last race....and decided to run the OUTSTANDING fellows above in order to "avoid embarassment"......

Joe Ruttmann was black flagged the first lap because HE DIDN'T HAVE A PIT CREW!!!

Kirk Shelmerdine was black flagged after 8 minutes because the FEILD had lapped him and he couldn't keep up!!!!

And Andy Hillenburg finshed 17 LAPS DOWN....WITH NO TROUBLE on the day!!!

Lookin' more like ENTERTAINMENT every damn day.....

Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had today?

Hey... You can't blame those three guys though. They each brought home a check for $50,000 for a piece of a days work.

Nascar was allowing these fillers because their TV Contract requires a full field at each race.

....no.....I don't blame those guys....heck....if I'ld have known, I would have mounted some 4' X 8' sheets of aluminum on the sides and roof of MY CAR AND RUN!

it is the entertainment "organization" known as NASCRAP that I laugh at....

....don't drink coffee....just HATE NASCAR....OK....I will go back to my lair now....

I think Randy has issues that would be best dealt with his shrink.

....naw....I get em all out when I am on the track!