And I figure most everyone's answer would be the same.

I guess what I don't understand is how when face to face some folks have one personality and when behind the monitor, they take on a totally different persona.

Everyone that knows me, knows that I'm a jerk, regardless ...

WERE IS THAT DAMN POPCORN SMILEY?!?!

3) Call you guys Assclowns.

Because:

A) Somebody with a speech impediment, can't help it. Those with legitimate language problems are cut some slack.

B ) Once something comes out of your mouth, it's too late. It's done, over. It either came out correctly or not. Nobody puts a gun to your head to make you hit the "submit" button without even looking at it first. You don't have to hit it until you decide people can read it. If you can type at all, there's no physical disablility that makes it impossible for you to hit the shift key. If you're too dumb to figure out how to use a spell checker, you're too dumb to be posting there.

A more accurate analogy would be you're the guy who needs help at the track. You walk over to a HUGE trailer of one of the biggest racing teams there. A team with a staff of mechanics and every tool in the world. Do you:

1) Say, "Excuse me sir, but I believe I'm having X problem with my car. I was wondering if I could borrow Y tool.... Does doing Z to the car sound like it's the right way to fix X problem?"

2) Say, "dude could U fix my car . what wrong? helll if i no. u firgure it out. u got al da the mekaniks"

CC.com has the most mechanics and biggest toolbox. If you want some help, you can put forth some effort in the way you ask for it. It's really the least one can do.

Very good point Mitch. I think the different personality that can be brought out by being isolated behind a computer monitor goes both ways.

On the receiving end of a question, you can say what you want. The guy can't punch you, right? As long as your virus and malware protection is up to date, you can do what you want.
When I'm at a track I have very rarely been asked the same question more than once so it's also less likely I'll become irritated at the person asking the question. I also know they have no search function to spend a few minutes checking for themselves before asking me.

On the asking end of a question, computers make it so much easier to bang out a quick question and then be on your way to other fun links. You just sit back and wait for other people to do the work that way. However, computer forums also have pretty good search functions, and I do consider it irresponsible for a forum user to just ask a question without even attempting to do a search first. I don't get mad at them and call them an assclown, but many times I'll do the search myself and then send them a link. That's a subtle hint to try a search the next time.

you can justify being an asshole a hundred different ways... but justification is only needed if you don't want the reputation of being an asshole.... but that's not the case... there is a certain amount of pride about cc.com attitude.. so why try and justify it?

just admit the facts.. "we're assholes" or "yah, some of us are assholes"

and then let the thread die... we could do hypotheticals till the end of time...

one thing though.. when people respect you, they follow you, so it's important to know how to lead... leadership is not a quality that assholes have

....true...true...

...scary part is.....I UNDERSTAND THAT PERFECTLY....



Problem is.....typically I am the guy with the biggest tool box and supplies at the track......sometimes I almost feel used....snif, snif.....

You don't say. Is the sky blue, too?

Randy, I'm your new best friend.

Jon I do not disagree with your points. We have similar frustrations with answering the silly questions. There are too many of them ...

I guess I would advocate ignoring the lazy questioner as opposed to a public humiliation. It takes as much time and effort to dress someone down as it does to just answer the question.

JMHO

I'll try and be concise.

I like both CC and FRRAX. What I don't like about FRRAX is the lack of technical posts that CC contains. However, I also do not care for the excessive use of the F word and avatars over at CC-hey I like to read the forums at work between projects. I've read (and UNDERSTAND) the drive to win, how to make your car handle, and tune to win and more than once too. I'm hoping to get through Engineer to Win and the Milliken books this winter. I'm also planning on purchasing suspension trends analyzer this fall-maybe we can turn up the tech here. I'm a mechanical engineering major so I love this stuff.

And yes Jon you're right the fundamentals are the same regardless of the make. I feel as if we miss some of the bigger picture by only reading what's here.

I think it will come over time ...

Rob, I want to get the software to.

Maybe we could go in together so the cost isn't so damn expensive.

If your interested give me a shout.

The only difference is, Rob, (and Jon HAS agreed many times) that alot of the tech just doesn't apply to us. For the most part. In looking at some of the discussions about our suspension, those guys are working REALLY HARD to get close to us in stock form. Our geometry is just that much better.

Problem is alot of F-body owners don't understand WHY. And that is where/how some folks struggle to find room for improvements.




I already got the smack down for multi posting so...sorry.

I have been lurking in this thread, laughing as happily as anyone.
Being a friend of Mitch (can I say that Mitch? No one here really knows me, so it shouldn't mar your following), I can honestly say that the guys I have met at the track have been top notch people, that I would fight the battles of hell for. I dropped all my old friends for my new track buddies, and haven't missed them at all.

But I have one response to the lack of technical threads.

START ONE!
Or be an A$$CLOWN like the rest......

....I am sure that is true....but FIRST....you will have to start racing at Sears Point, Laguna, and Thunderhill.....

NOW THAT IS A TOW!!! :leaving:

If you build it, it will come.
Well... it's built... now it's just a matter of waiting till it comes.

My two cents....

I've been a member of CC.com for a long time... I've never received a "smackdown." Why not? Because, I stay out of the political discussions in GD, and I search for answers before asking questions in the technical forums. It was quite a while before they even discovered the fact that I'm female. Don't get me wrong; I can layeth the smack down with the best of them if you rub me the wrong way, but basically, think of CC.com as the internet version of a hardcore biker bar -- you aren't just going to waltz in and say, "hi." You are either going to act like you belong right off, or you will get your butt handed to you.

From my perspective, those who feel that CC.com is about nothing more than overuse of the "f" word and calling everyone an "assclown" is not even looking at the tech on that site. General Discussion is where most of the "attitude" and attacks occur. But then again, you've got just shy of 4000 members, most of whom are all alpha male personalities. Of course it's going to be a bunch of head butting, and if you can't take it, well, so be it. I know a lot of the guys on their personally, and, well, yeah, they will say the exact same things to your face.

In conclusion, if you don't like it, well, you know what's coming next.....


Karen