I'm looking to buy a Southwest Tour car to run NASA SU, SCCA GT1, and Trans Am-2. The problem? It has no log book...NASCAR doesn't use them. TA2 rules provides multiple engine combos pending logbook issuance date. Logbook issued prior to 12/2010 can run a GTA motor, ASA, LS3 or what this car has but restricted. If logbook issued after 12/2010 your only option is LS3
Will SCCA grant me a pre-dated logbook since the car ran SW Tour? How do I go about doing this? How do I prove it ran in the Tour? Previous owner doesn't know this..
Thanks!
Full Version: Looking to buy a new racecar..have a few questions
Sounds like a great venture Chris. Any pic's? What are you going to do with the Vette?
QUOTE (GCOSENTINO @ Apr 1 2011, 08:31 PM) 
Sounds like a great venture Chris. Any pic's? What are you going to do with the Vette?
don't have any pictures of it yet, it's tucked away in a storage shed right now and tough to look at. But picture a SW Tour car, fiberglass body, steel doors, bright red 5 star chevy impala bodywork (would get switched to a Howe 2010 Camaro body work after current body work gets tore up). Car was ran a few times in the Tour, but before it was put away got fresh body work, inside sheetmetal, and paint. The Corvette all depends on finances. It'll either go up for sale after the Runoffs this year, or stick around a little longer...we'll see.
In the next week or two, I will be getting both a NASA and an SCCA logbook for my Busch Grand National stock car that I got last May. It also came with no logbook. Call the shop that will be doing your tech in advance and talk to them. They will be the best source to ensure that you don't drag it there only to have a surprise.
QUOTE (KeithO @ Apr 2 2011, 04:50 AM)
In the next week or two, I will be getting both a NASA and an SCCA logbook for my Busch Grand National stock car that I got last May. It also came with no logbook. Call the shop that will be doing your tech in advance and talk to them. They will be the best source to ensure that you don't drag it there only to have a surprise.
I'm not worried about "passing" tech, I know everything on the car is fine. I'm just trying to find out if I can get a predated log book so i can the car alone and only add a restrictor for TA2 racing. Or if SCCA pro racing Trans Am will allow an exception to the log book date rule since the car has been raced previously with a NASCAR series..not sure where to look for that info?
Chris - I've logbooked a couple of stock cars for NASA SU, here's a few things they've had problems with at tech:
Shoulder harness angle - some cars have the seat crammed right up against the rear bulkhead with harnesses at a bad angle, or three bar adjuster contacting the seat. Access is poor, no way to fix at the track.
Shoulder harness anchor point - it is OK to redirect the shoulder harnesses with a properly located tube behind the seat, down into the chassis and tied to a hard point on the frame. A problem is that this space may be shared with the battery, or open to the LR wheel well. Damage from tire debris and/or contamination from the battery is a fail.
Fuel cell bladder age documentation - NASA has a firm 5yr max rule, and FIA FT3. I suggest keeping a copy of the the bladder sales receipt with the logbook, and fill out this form for tech: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/Fuel%20...on%20010611.pdf
Isolation of the fuel cell from the drivers space - any gaps must be sealed. Flamestopper 5000 from Ace hardware works well on seams, small gaps.
NASA requires a right side net or a head restraint seat. The flimsy Kirkey head support thing does not meet the rule for a restraint - it is a support, useful only for napping in the car. Tech needs to see a restraint.
Brake lights, exit time, cutoff switch kills a running motor, HD padding, the other usual stuff. This is the checklist I use for the logbook, I advise doing a self check as soon as you get the car: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/annual_race_inspector.pdf
NASA is at Thunderhill in 2 weeks, I can logbook the car there if you can make it. Or, I can do it at the shop any evening.
For SCCA, I suggest contacting your regional chief scrutineer, and the TA2 series director - you may have an issue here if they tell you different things. I had an issue trying to get a customers Cobra replica into SCCA Vintage - the series director was looking for car count, so was OK with vintage prep, but the regional chief took a hard line on prep, insisting on a full GCR cage, etc since it was not an original.
Shoulder harness angle - some cars have the seat crammed right up against the rear bulkhead with harnesses at a bad angle, or three bar adjuster contacting the seat. Access is poor, no way to fix at the track.
Shoulder harness anchor point - it is OK to redirect the shoulder harnesses with a properly located tube behind the seat, down into the chassis and tied to a hard point on the frame. A problem is that this space may be shared with the battery, or open to the LR wheel well. Damage from tire debris and/or contamination from the battery is a fail.
Fuel cell bladder age documentation - NASA has a firm 5yr max rule, and FIA FT3. I suggest keeping a copy of the the bladder sales receipt with the logbook, and fill out this form for tech: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/Fuel%20...on%20010611.pdf
Isolation of the fuel cell from the drivers space - any gaps must be sealed. Flamestopper 5000 from Ace hardware works well on seams, small gaps.
NASA requires a right side net or a head restraint seat. The flimsy Kirkey head support thing does not meet the rule for a restraint - it is a support, useful only for napping in the car. Tech needs to see a restraint.
Brake lights, exit time, cutoff switch kills a running motor, HD padding, the other usual stuff. This is the checklist I use for the logbook, I advise doing a self check as soon as you get the car: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/annual_race_inspector.pdf
NASA is at Thunderhill in 2 weeks, I can logbook the car there if you can make it. Or, I can do it at the shop any evening.
For SCCA, I suggest contacting your regional chief scrutineer, and the TA2 series director - you may have an issue here if they tell you different things. I had an issue trying to get a customers Cobra replica into SCCA Vintage - the series director was looking for car count, so was OK with vintage prep, but the regional chief took a hard line on prep, insisting on a full GCR cage, etc since it was not an original.
I'll be at Thunderhill also. Blaine, what class and car you driving? Chris, you should come up.
QUOTE (GCOSENTINO @ Apr 2 2011, 01:45 PM)
I'll be at Thunderhill also. Blaine, what class and car you driving? Chris, you should come up.
I don't currently own a functional race car - I'm having too much fun building them for other folks.
I'm also NASA NorCal chief of tech, stop by and say hi - I'll be set up under the north canopy.
Thats funny, I'll be helping Don Barnwell out at pre-grid. Working 1/2 day and driving half day in time trials. See you there.
QUOTE (Blainefab @ Apr 2 2011, 12:36 PM)
Chris - I've logbooked a couple of stock cars for NASA SU, here's a few things they've had problems with at tech:
Shoulder harness angle - some cars have the seat crammed right up against the rear bulkhead with harnesses at a bad angle, or three bar adjuster contacting the seat. Access is poor, no way to fix at the track.
Shoulder harness anchor point - it is OK to redirect the shoulder harnesses with a properly located tube behind the seat, down into the chassis and tied to a hard point on the frame. A problem is that this space may be shared with the battery, or open to the LR wheel well. Damage from tire debris and/or contamination from the battery is a fail.
Fuel cell bladder age documentation - NASA has a firm 5yr max rule, and FIA FT3. I suggest keeping a copy of the the bladder sales receipt with the logbook, and fill out this form for tech: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/Fuel%20...on%20010611.pdf
Isolation of the fuel cell from the drivers space - any gaps must be sealed. Flamestopper 5000 from Ace hardware works well on seams, small gaps.
NASA requires a right side net or a head restraint seat. The flimsy Kirkey head support thing does not meet the rule for a restraint - it is a support, useful only for napping in the car. Tech needs to see a restraint.
Brake lights, exit time, cutoff switch kills a running motor, HD padding, the other usual stuff. This is the checklist I use for the logbook, I advise doing a self check as soon as you get the car: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/annual_race_inspector.pdf
NASA is at Thunderhill in 2 weeks, I can logbook the car there if you can make it. Or, I can do it at the shop any evening.
For SCCA, I suggest contacting your regional chief scrutineer, and the TA2 series director - you may have an issue here if they tell you different things. I had an issue trying to get a customers Cobra replica into SCCA Vintage - the series director was looking for car count, so was OK with vintage prep, but the regional chief took a hard line on prep, insisting on a full GCR cage, etc since it was not an original.
Shoulder harness angle - some cars have the seat crammed right up against the rear bulkhead with harnesses at a bad angle, or three bar adjuster contacting the seat. Access is poor, no way to fix at the track.
Shoulder harness anchor point - it is OK to redirect the shoulder harnesses with a properly located tube behind the seat, down into the chassis and tied to a hard point on the frame. A problem is that this space may be shared with the battery, or open to the LR wheel well. Damage from tire debris and/or contamination from the battery is a fail.
Fuel cell bladder age documentation - NASA has a firm 5yr max rule, and FIA FT3. I suggest keeping a copy of the the bladder sales receipt with the logbook, and fill out this form for tech: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/Fuel%20...on%20010611.pdf
Isolation of the fuel cell from the drivers space - any gaps must be sealed. Flamestopper 5000 from Ace hardware works well on seams, small gaps.
NASA requires a right side net or a head restraint seat. The flimsy Kirkey head support thing does not meet the rule for a restraint - it is a support, useful only for napping in the car. Tech needs to see a restraint.
Brake lights, exit time, cutoff switch kills a running motor, HD padding, the other usual stuff. This is the checklist I use for the logbook, I advise doing a self check as soon as you get the car: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms/annual_race_inspector.pdf
NASA is at Thunderhill in 2 weeks, I can logbook the car there if you can make it. Or, I can do it at the shop any evening.
For SCCA, I suggest contacting your regional chief scrutineer, and the TA2 series director - you may have an issue here if they tell you different things. I had an issue trying to get a customers Cobra replica into SCCA Vintage - the series director was looking for car count, so was OK with vintage prep, but the regional chief took a hard line on prep, insisting on a full GCR cage, etc since it was not an original.
Thanks Alan, I'll pass all that on. Current owner has no quarrels making this car "race ready" for me, short of re-doing the whole cage. It's doubtful I'll have this car by that time, let alone ready for a race weekend. Car will need some shakedown prior to racing, and I'll need some good seat time before I'd be comfortable to race it...too many new to me things, like a clutchless Jericho
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