Can't wait! Been withholding some "classified" info from you guys, will be glad to talk about it soon!

I think it is good looking (I owned two first gens) and I like the engine/powertrain/IRS. It is way overweight and not aerodynamic enough for my liking, though. If they could have retained that engine/powertrain and kept the weight down to 3000 lbs, I would be impressed. You really can't beat the Cd of a 4th gen, though.

Somebody chose not to honor the embargo and others followed. There's a fair amount of inaccuracy in the specs they published. 4:00 PM EDST, Monday, July 21, is still when the official unveil is.

But... I don't imagine I'm really the target market anymore, since the other thing I'd like would be a decent backseat & four doors... :-)

Mark

You're the target market for the G8.

Actually, you can beat the Cd of a 4th gen...with a 3rd gen =)

Can't wait! Been withholding some "classified" info from you guys, will be glad to talk about it soon!

I'll reserve judgement on the interior until I see one in person. The interior styling isn't that big of a deal to me as long as it's functional and not repulsive. The pictures do not repulse me. For me, the materials, etc. are not nearly as important as function, good seats and a good driving position. Simple is good. I don't like too many gadgets or buttons which is my biggest complaint about the G8 interior. Most seem to think it's one of the best GM interiors, but I don't like it that much. The center stack just seems unnecessarily over complicated and most of the buttons are too small.

I am the same....I would have "put up" with a LOT in terms of a "typical" GM interior.....but this interior DOES repulse me.....it is HIDEOUS! I too will wait to see it in person, but I have yet to see it in a light that is even CLOSE to acceptable.....

Concur. The interior has got to go. Somebody has to perform an "ugly-ectomy" and install something that looks like people with 20/20 vision designed it. Which "focus" group did GM test this with??? Couldn't GM at least design a dash similar to the Vette? This thing makes me think that ET's face is in the dash and his two eyes are staring back at me... And move the console gauges up to the dashboard. That was wrong in 1969 and it's wrong 40 years later.

20" wheels...gag. Do I have to wear my hat sideways and duck down low when driving?



YUP & don't forget your pants 1/2 way down.

Concur. The interior has got to go. Somebody has to perform an "ugly-ectomy" and install something that looks like people with 20/20 vision designed it. Which "focus" group did GM test this with??? Couldn't GM at least design a dash similar to the Vette? This thing makes me think that ET's face is in the dash and his two eyes are staring back at me... And move the console gauges up to the dashboard. That was wrong in 1969 and it's wrong 40 years later.

20" wheels...gag. Do I have to wear my hat sideways and duck down low when driving?

Unless I missed it, I didn't see a listed weight of the V6 model.

I wonder how that car would stack up in today's f-stock class?

Unless I missed it, I didn't see a listed weight of the V6 model. I would assume it's at least 100 lbs lighter. Mabey better balanced? But I did see a listed hp of near 300, and torque rated at 273 lb-ft, available with a FE2 "sport suspension" and 6-speed manual. Except for being a little down on torque, those numbers aren't far from my LT1 car.
I wonder how that car would stack up in today's f-stock class?
As far as interior...who cares? This is supposed to be a performance car. Interior is the last thing on my priority list for a car like this. As long as I can sit in the drivers seat for a few hours without severe back pain, that's good enough for me.
I think they need a 1LE model more now than ever. I want one WITHOUT:
Bluetooth phone connectivity
Premium Boston Acoustics audio system
USB connectivity
Ultrasonic rear parking assist
Remote vehicle starting system
OnStar
XM Satellite Radio

Save that crap for the Malibu's and Impala's. A real Camaro doesn't need it.

What a piece of shit.

3800 pounds, 23mpg-- idiots.

I am now seriously reconsidering my choice of the G8 GT as my next vehicle.

GM has “toned down” the styling ( inside & outside ) of the production Camaro – to the point where it no longer looks ( to me ) like a cartoon or parody of the 1969 version.

It looks to me like there might be several advantages – and few disadvantages [ FOR ME ] in choosing the Camaro over the G8 GT:

1 – It appears that ( with a much larger estimated annual production – of 80,000 to 100,000 ? ) and with it being built in Canada, instead of OZ, the Camaro will be something that one can actually order. Much like other GM automotive products.

Meaning: I could select the exact options I want and do not want, color, etc. – and in 6 or 7 weeks have the car.

[[ The G8 ‘tagging’ system & associated allocation system has meant that ‘my’ ( small ) dealer has had only 1 G8 GT, so far . . . and no way currently to order one equipped as I’d want. ]]

2 – It appears that the Camaro will be offered with a choice of interior colors - choices that include something besides black or black \ red. Like gray \ titanium – as in my current Corvette, for example.

3 – It appears likely that the V8 Camaro will be noticeably quicker than the G8 GT. GM is now saying ‘officially’ that the Camaro SS \ V8 with 6L80 automatic will be quicker than the G8 GT with the same A6.
Chevy says: 0 – 60 = 4.6 \ Quarter = 13.3.
Pontiac says \ said: 5.3 \ 13.8.

4 – GM \ Chevy have repeatedly stated that the pricing will be reasonable “. . . We expect it to be very competitive with the Mustang." - Cheryl Pilcher, Chevrolet Camaro product manager.

My interpretation of these statements is that a Camaro SS V8 with automatic & Brembo Brakes & a sunroof - and with interior trim I’d buy - would have an MSRP in the $33K - $34K range. Comparable to a G8 GT 2009 – and well under a G8 GXP, I expect. Perhaps even a bit less than $33K. We shall see how aggressively Chevy actually does set the base & option MSRPs – though we will probably not know until close to year’s end, it appears.

5 – It even appears that the Camaro may not require me to immediately change the exhaust system! Indications are that the V8 may actually sound like a V8 – right off the production line! Wow!

6 – Available with shift paddles on the steering wheel – I have had these now for a while, on 2 different GM vehicles – I like them & I am used to them.

7 – A HUD is even expected - by later next year.

8 – ** PERHAPS ** Chevy will have resolved the issues with the 6L80 automatic trans. – reported in the 2008 G8 GTs, and in 2006 & 2007 Corvettes. ** MAYBE ** . . .

Oh, and it can be equipped with a Torque Gauge. [ ???? ]

The disadvantages [ again: FOR ME ] are few.

0.5 – I will have to wait longer to buy.

1 - I like having a back seat – but would prefer the associated rear doors, on the G8 GT, as well. But I have managed with no rear seat at all now for a couple of years.

2 – The styling is not quite as appealing to me as the G8 GT. And I will need to see a few production examples in person – to verify that the styling really is something I will be OK with.

But based on what I have seen recently, I think it will be OK. Enough that I will now likely wait until Camaros start appearing at dealers before I decide what to do – where I had previously expected to try purchasing a G8 GT sometime this Fall.

Shift paddles, HUD, ???

This is the main problem. The Camaro may/may not be a nice car. But, when you are comparing it against a 4000lb, 4-door, touring car - there's something wrong. As I said in response to this post, the Camaro should be about the following words/sentiments: value, simple, horsepower, no-frills, good running gear, presence. It's not about being "comfortable" by having the latest in technology or interior materials.

I guess it's hard for them to see that when they could sell all the loaded to the gills V8 SS' they could build in '02 while base V6 and V8 cars rotted on the lots.