So......a long long time ago I spent a bunch of time here. And then I didn’t (long story)

Well I’m pretty much set on the idea I’m going to be autocrossing a 4th gen again.

So what has changed?

Some things I’ve found already:
Tires are drastically more expensive
Available “good” r compound options are even more limited
Street prepared has some allowances I would have liked to have way back when
The “newer cars” have taken over ESP
Wheels have gone up in price. I think I only paid $400-450/wheel for CCW’s

CAM C looks like a class that I’d probably run in “most” of the time just for the participation.


What else has changed in 10 years LOL

Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if you used to run wide 17" tires you are basically hosed. It's nearly impossible to find a 17" tire wider than 255. You need to move up to at least a 18" wheel.

I saw that come up a few times. I’d really like to run a 17” wheel in the back and planned on an 18” wheel up front anyhow.
It looks like for somewhat affordable wheels though I’m definitely stuck with 18’s. Maybe a 335/30/18 frt 345/30/18 rear combo in the future? LOL

When I last bought R comps it was v710’s at $200 each in front and $225 each in rear. That’s less than half per tire of today’s A7

Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier has always been significantly more expensive than Kumho.

That's why I never ran Hoosiers. I wasn't good enough to make use of the 10% advantage that Hoosier might provide, specially for the 50% to 75% price premium.

I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or with out tires (probably without soon, they'll be used up). And set of lightly used and new tires, 315 a6's. Shipping from central PA. Check it out in the classified section; PM me or post with questions. FWIW I didn't think getting Hoosiers in 17" seemed a problem, that's why I have these wheels. But my planned brake upgrade won't fit under them, that's why the sale.

I’ve heard you can’t get parts for them. I’d want to run 12” wide wheels and an 18” front wheel
Sounds like I’ll probably go with forgestars

Make sure they run straight, a few people here and locally ran into issues with bent wheels out of the box.

Mark Madarash has moved to CP. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Depends on the age of the wheel. I think it's the 20 bolt centers you can't get parts for but check to make sure. They do still make wheels and parts in that size for the newer centers.

I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this year. I'm pretty much an F/S car on R comps. But there truly is not much in the 200 tread wear world for the stock 16" or 17" wheels.

Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suited to heavy cars, at least in 40 and up aspect ratios? That might be why a seemingly popular size such as 275/40-17 isn't available.

A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan than A6s were if you are still thinking ESP. Also, I think 17s are a viable choice on a 4th gen still if you run Hoosiers.

The lack of participation, the cost of tires and the rule set means I’m going to run in CAM C next year.
Those BFG Rival S definitely don’t have the grip I used back in the day
Then again I haven’t autox’d in so long even the 200TW tires will be fun

As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do the same. I am getting tired of changing tires (I'm a tire-in-car and change-at-event person). I'm the only one in my entire region who really does that. Other guys on R tires on are on trailers. So I can change at home and drive there on BFG's or whatever. No more FTDs for a while probably. My car is still hardware-wise ESP but I may run in CAM to give the new CAM guys some well deserved fear.

Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars have there hands full of an old straight axle 4th gen

There is definitely a weight advantage to the car I’m building (LT1 chassis/Aluminum LS

Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a trailer and driving home trust me!
I did the tire swap routine for two years before buying a trailer.
Unfortunately I’m going to have to buy another trailer too

What are your complaints about the CAM classes

Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils down to the rules being totally open. That people take literally new cars and class them in the class primarily meant for resto-mod type cars. All the other traditional classes are really tightly defined.

Pretty much. I have one friend with a BSP Vette who is moving to CAM, another friend who has a 3rd Gen Camaro who ran in CAM until our region mad a local class that suited him better, and a third friend with a ‘18 ZL1 1LE SS Camaro who runs CAM. He ran CAM in his ‘16 1LE SS Camaro, too.

One thing that has changed for sure.....
All forums are way slower than back in the day. Information online is definitely harder to come by